Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
This information is excerpted from, "Graham Believes Men Can Be Saved Apart From Name of Christ" by Robert E. Kofahl, Ph.D.TELEVISION INTERVIEW OF BILLY GRAHAM BY ROBERT SCHULLER. PART 1, AN APPROXIMATELY 7-MINUTE-LONG BROADCAST IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ON SATURDAY, MAY 31, 1997. THE FOLLOWING IS AN EXACT TRANSCRIPT* OF AN EXCERPT CLOSE TO THE END OF THIS BROADCAST.
SCHULLER: Tell me, what do you think is the future of Christianity?
GRAHAM: Well, Christianity and being a true believer--you know, I think there's the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival, that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name.
And that's what God is doing today, He's calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don't have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they're going to be with us in heaven. [I wouldn't trust in nobody that said they "think" I'm saved. My question is, What does God SAY?!]
Lord have mercy! Do you believe this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TELEVISION INTERVIEW OF DR. GRAHAM BY DR. SCHULLER CONTINUED: PART II WAS BROADCAST ON SUNDAY, JUNE 8. THE FOLLOWING IS AN ACCURATE TRANSCRIPTION OF A SEGMENT.*
SCHULLER: You knew ... Fulton Sheen. You knew these men. Your comments on both of these men [Fulton Sheen and Norman V. Peale].
GRAHAM: The primary way of communicating is to live the life, let people see that you're living what you proclaim.... [comments on his friendship and conversations with Fulton Sheen] I lost a very dear friend, and since that time, the whole relationship between me and my work, and you and your work, and the Roman Catholic Church has changed. They open their arms to welcome us and we have the support of the Catholic Church almost everywhere we go. And I think that we must come to the place where we keep our eyes on Jesus Christ [Which Jesus, Billy? The real One, or the imposter of Romanism?], not on what denomination or what church or what group we belong to.
Well, the poster boy for the ecumenical movement does it again putting together so much mumbo-jumbo you don't know what he's talking about. I know a lot of people have come to Christ under his ministry, but I CANNOT understand for the life of me how a person with such willful ignorance of the Bible and such a compromising stance really knows God. It is a mystery to me but I do know that God's mercy is vast so I'm not saying Graham ain't saved (only God knows that), but I'm saying WHAT IS HE DOING? WHO IS HE? Is he making merchandise of God's people? Is he someone to trust? I got some serious questions in my mind. He sends Catholics to priests and back to the same damnable heresies they need to come out of.
I did not know too much about Graham until about two years ago. I first thought about him when the people at my old church were like, "Pray for the upcoming Billy Graham special!" I looked at the thing and it was so jumbled up with some Christian rock videos I didn't know what in the world was going on. Still undeterred, I ordered one of his salvation messages to share with someone. I watched it first and it was so watered down it was pathetic. I thought to myself, "Someone would already have to know the gospel to know where to find it in those generalities." Needless to say, I didn't even share it with the person. I wasted my money.
Why does the whole wicked world love Graham? 'Cause he tells everybody that they right, that's why! Mmm. Look at what the word of God says about people the world loves:Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. Luke 6:26
When I think of Graham, I think of somebody who at one point may have had some clear eyes and then they went and picked up some huge black scales and put them on their eyes and then started saying to people, "Let me help you find your way". He knows better than embracing the Catholic cult and saying everybody is saved. I read a quote from him in New Man magazine where he laments about how fundamentalists talk so bad about him and his compromising position. He knows better.
One of our readers sent in the following note in response to this article:Christian Greetings,
When I first read the statements by Billy Graham I had my doubts. But after some research, I found the actual interview on Schuller's web site http://www.crystalcathedral.org/html/real_a_v.html.
This statement is almost 6 minutes into the video.
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