From: jesus_is_lord To: List Member Subject: Submission, Marriage & Whoredom Date: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:24 PM jesus_is_lord [Reminder: this list is not for hellbounds. Repent, get washed in the blood of Jesus and it will be for you.] Dear Christian Friends: Greetings in the name of the ONLY wise God and Saviour Jesus Christ. *****DEADLY THINGS***** The article on submission incited the ire of one rebellious woman who got indignant and the ire of a false prophet who claims they've been ministering to women for 25 years. The internet has shown me the meaning of Mark 16:17-18-- "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; THEY SHALL TAKE UP SERPENTS; and IF THEY DRINK ANY DEADLY THING, IT SHALL NOT HURT THEM; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." You've got groups of people that take this literally and they bring rattlesnakes in church and be picking them up. They be drinking arsenic and poison. Let us not be ridiculous. If I happen to get bit by a rattlesnake, Jesus can preserve my life just like he preserved Paul's life in Acts 28:3-6 when he was bitten by a viper. BUT THAT AIN'T THE POINT. I may just die from that bite. We live in a fallen world and I'm subject to death like every other human being. What then does this scripture mean? Once you have been regenerated and Christ is IN YOU of a truth, can't NO FALSE PROPHET (SERPENT) AND NO FALSE DOCTRINE (DEADLY THING) turn you around no matter how good it sounds. Why? Because if Jesus is in you, you love His word. You read it and the Holy Ghost uses it to protect you. But, tracy, what does this have to do with the website? For the past 3.5 years, I've CONTINUALLY heard from false prophets (serpents) and researched false movements (poisonous, deadly things) --but I ain't one step closer to leaving Jesus or believing lies. I can take up serpents (read their writings) and though they bite me sometimes (lying on me or telling me I'm stupid), I'm just fine. I can drink (internalize/research) any deadly thing (false doctrine) and it does not hurt my soul. A false prophet is worse than a rattlesnake and false doctrine is worse than arsenic/poison. The natural (rattlesnakes and poison) only have temporal consequence. The supernatural (Satanic doctrine) has ETERNAL consequence. [ASIDE: I will note here that I do exercise caution as I deal with deadly things...(1) I ask *why* I am researching lest it simply be out of curiosity (2) **I spend more time in truth than in error**, i.e. reading the Bible and obeying it and (3) I endeavor to make sure my domestic duties are handled before all the other stuff. I've seen too many babes who do not know the word trying to research false movements and getting caught up in them. This is a perilous world for those who do not know the Booke. People are getting on the internet to learn without doing their due diligence in their good ol' King James 1611. As a result of false doctrine on the internet, I've seen folks drifting into Hebrew roots, Calvinistic confusion on election, Seventh Day Adventism, etc. They don't understand the Bible so anytime somebody quotes an out-of-context verse the ignorant assume that the false doctrine is correct. The DEVIL can quote scripture but it don't be right! He quoted scripture to Jesus! Don't you know he will quote it to our pea-brains? Solution: stay in the Bible and you won't be deceived.] *****SUBMISSION & MARRIAGE***** ...Many people who profess Christ do not lift up their eyes to see the spiritual significance of what the Bible is saying. They are like the people who bring rattlesnakes in church. Marriage ain't *really* about me and my husband. It is a picture of Christ and the church. The Bible is FULL of such pictures where the physical/natural reflects great spiritual realities. Paul says first comes the natural and THEN that which is spiritual. The Lord has set it up so that our peanut-size human brains have something to take ahold of so we can understand the spiritual. Marriage is one such thing. The scriptures refer to Jesus as the groom and the church as His bride. Is the BRIDE (the Christian) supposed to rebel against Jesus at ANY TIME? Or are we rather to submit to Him in ALL things? Of course, we are to submit in ALL things. And so Christ commands us wives to do likewise. As the HUSBAND, Christ loves His wife greatly. He nourishes her, protects her, helps her, encourages her, spends time with her, provides for her. So it is SUPPOSED to be with Christian husbands. Jesus does not command husbands to be overbearing, disrespecting their wives, treating them like second-class citizens, whoring around on them, and beating them down. He does not command them to lead them into watching hellivision--He commands them to sanctify and clease them with the washing of water BY THE WORD just like Jesus did for us. Paul breaks it down in Ephesians chapter 5, and he ends the treatise in a very interesting way... Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, AS UNTO THE LORD. 5:23 For THE HUSBAND IS THE HEAD OF THE WIFE, EVEN AS CHRIST IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH: AND HE IS THE SAVIOUR OF THE BODY. 5:24 Therefore AS THE CHURCH IS SUBJECT UNTO CHRIST, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 5:25 HUSBANDS, LOVE YOUR WIVES, EVEN AS CHRIST ALSO LOVED THE CHURCH, AND GAVE HIMSELF FOR IT; 5:26 THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY AND CLEANSE IT WITH THE WASHING OF WATER BY THE WORD, 5:27 THAT HE MIGHT PRESENT IT TO HIMSELF A GLORIOUS CHURCH, NOT HAVING SPOT, OR WRINKLE, OR ANY SUCH THING; BUT THAT IT SHOULD BE HOLY AND WITHOUT BLEMISH. 5:28 SO OUGHT MEN TO LOVE THEIR WIVES AS THEIR OWN BODIES. HE THAT LOVETH HIS WIFE LOVETH HIMSELF. 5:29 FOR NO MAN EVER YET HATED HIS OWN FLESH; BUT NOURISHETH AND CHERISHETH IT, EVEN AS THE LORD THE CHURCH: 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 5:32 ***THIS IS A GREAT MYSTERY: BUT I SPEAK CONCERNING CHRIST AND THE CHURCH.*** 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; And the wife see that she reverence her husband. Human marriage is supposed to be a picture of spiritual marriage to Jesus Christ. Even down to being joined together as ONE. Jesus lives INSIDE of the believer. Conversely, the believer, moves and breathes in the Lord Jesus Christ. It is an intimate relationship. Me submitting to my husband ain't really about me. It is about me reflecting how the church is to submit to Christ. My husband loving me like a precious jewel ain't really about him being so great. It is about reflecting how Jesus cares for the church. Of course, we reap the benefits of such an arrangement, but it ain't about us. Our arrangement is temporal. There is no "eternal marriage" as the Mormons say. The Bible clearly states that in heaven there is no marrying. *****WHOREMONGERS***** Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. I am currently reading in Hosea and it clearly shows that God hates whoredom. Once again the temporal whoremonger helps us to understand spiritual whoredom. This world is full of whoremongers. They run to and fro looking to get tickled. Their entire being is bent toward whoredom. 2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes FULL of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children. Many people who profess Jesus are in this crowd. They go to work and look like everybody else in this world. They think wickedness is normal. *It is normal* for a citizen of this world's kingdom...unclean conversations, lusty eyes, drinks after work, foolish jesting, etc. I stand amazed at how flagrant whoredom is on hellivision today. When I am around one that has been turned on, I look to see what is on there. I find myself so disgusted that I have to physically remove myself from it within seconds. On a commercial, you can see two whoremongers rolling around like maggots in a bed or a sodomite propositioning another man. How professed Christians can bear watching hellivision is beyond me. It is worse than when I stopped watching it. How they can let their kids watch it is even more baffling. Hellivision reeks of corruption and it incites the lusts of the young and old alike. I went to the mall with my dad a few Saturdays ago. I don't have much business in the mall but we went to select some glasses for him. As I looked around at the young people, I felt a malevolence. I perceive that there are so many possessed people walking around that our senses are numbed to it. Young girls wore the attire of an harlot. In fact, their attire would put a biblical-times harlot to shame-- Where did they get this from? From what they see on hellivision and the movies. What are these girls looking for? The attention of a slimy whoremonger who is trying to get all the whores he can. People want to be tickled. They have constructed their lives around being tickled! They get tickled by one, that don't work out and they look for another. Their eyes are never satisfied. People today have virtually NO CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS. They passively receive the messages given to them in the textbooks, on the hellivision, in the newspapers, the novels, etc. Meanwhile, the Bible is relegated to being a Book "written by men" (of course we know that holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost). Ain't that kinda strange that they would say "written by men" as an aspersion? I mean, they ingest a whole lotta stuff that MEN WRITE EVERYDAY! They will follow the latest fad that MEN write and then they find out that fad was detrimental, they still jump on board for the next fad. I remember when they told women, "stop eating so much fat". So the women start eating fat-free and now they say, women are having problems because there is not enough fat in their diet. But nobody says, "Hey, the scientists were wrong!" They simply shrug their shoulders buy another filthy issue of Cosmopolitan and do whatever it says. Yet the Bible is relegated to being unreliable...Concerning manuscript evidence for the Bible, there is more evidence for the Bible than ANY other ancient manuscript--including the ones we use to assemble our history books-- - Aristotle - 5 copies available for comparison - Homer - 643 copies available for comparison - Plato - 7 copies available for comparison - The New Testament - 30,000 copies available for comparison (includes 5000+ Greek copies and another 25,000 written in other languages). This wealth of evidence is simply staggering. *The Bible was the FIRST book ever printed by moveable type. *The Bible is the bestselling book of all time. Press runs increase every year. *The Bible is the most circulated book in the world. *The Bible is the most translated book in the world. *The Bible is the most loved book in the world. *The Bible is the most hated book in the world. Satan has deceived this whole world. I can talk this talk because I was just like them until Jesus and His word gave me GREAT CLARITY OF MIND. HALLELUJAH! Until I was 25 years old, I wanted to please MY OWN SELF. Everything that I did was to that end. I was a whoremonger. I tasted some of this and some of that. Anything but the God of the Bible. I did what I wanted to do and did not give God the glory. Every unbeliever is desolate I don't care how they look on the outside or what they say. I cannot be convinced otherwise. They may have a lot of hobbies to keep their minds occupied but they are the living dead. For the hellbounds on this list Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. When I look back at my unregenerate life I see darkness, desolation, fruitlessness, ignorance, foolishness. I gave my honour unto others and my years to the cruel. I would watch hellivision, hellywood, fill myself with amusements and "friends". I even assumed that the network news was a bastion of truth. I would read me some Stephen King, go to this and that. I made big plans...some came through but they never satisfied me as I thought they would. Jesus kept some from coming through so that I would come to Him. I went to college and graduated a bigger fool than I was when I went in. Ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. (2 Ti 3:7). All unregenerates are spiritual whores and whoremongers. They have constructed a life for themselves that excludes the One Who created them. They despise His word. Hellbounds out there may object, "I don't despise the Bible." Yes you do--because you do not do what it says. Hellbounds whore around and become intimate with anything that suits ***their*** fancy. Anything that tickles them. It doesn't matter if it is gardening, whoring around, chess, reading, researching, traveling, etc. Not all of these are bad in and of themselves. The flesh, the Devil and the world got something for everybody. Some of the most wicked men in the world got PhDs and wear tuxedos. I've seen it with my own eyeballs and experienced it in my own soul when I was lost in darkness. Hosea 5:4 They will not frame their doings to turn unto their God: for ***the spirit of whoredoms*** is in the midst of them, and they have not known the LORD. *****IN LIGHT OF ALL THAT***** Where do you stand my Christian friend? Where do I stand? Our works, not our words, tell the story. Jesus made the temporal plants so that we can understand this spiritual truth. Jesus said-- Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Thus saith Paul Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but ***in works they deny him***, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. 2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that ***Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates***? Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, ***work out your own salvation with fear and trembling***. Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him. (I am aware that not all attribute Hebrews to Paul, but I do) Thus saith Peter 2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, ***give diligence*** to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall. Finally, thus saith the Lord Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and ***whoremongers***, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. *****CONCLUSION***** For the Christian, this life really ain't about us. It is about glorifying Christ and His doctrine. As we obey the word, we are blessed and happy but that is incidental. The goal is to glorify Christ and His doctrine and sometimes that includes suffering. Jesus Himself is our example. He suffered without the gate and so will we. The scriptures say that ALL that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. If you are a Christian wife and your husband ain't straight, you still have to obey Christ--submit. If you are a Christian husband and your wife ain't straight, you still have to obey Christ--love. It just may be that your unbelieving spouse will be converted. 1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. For the ladies who wrote for more info on "The Daughters of Sarah" I'll try to remember to retrieve my copy so that I can send you the ordering and price information. for Jesus' sake, tracy -- http://www.jesus-is-lord.com ...I do send thee unto them; and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD. And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house. Ezekiel 2:4, 6 ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to jesus_is_lord-unsubscribe@listbot.com Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/links/joinlb